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#14 Think small to grow big

Studio #14 Think small to grow big

I’d like to talk about the importance of thinking small when it comes to growing your podcast and ultimately your audience.

There is a conversation I go back and listen to every so often, because it really resonated with me when I first heard it. It’s an interview with between Tim Ferris and Seth Godin on Tim’s podcast.

Godin is a marketer and author of 17 books. He’s been a speaker at TED, he has his own blog, and if you go to Google and just search for Seth, his name comes up first so you KNOW this guy is pretty popular — and influential.  If you’re listening along while reading this post, I’ve clipped in a short answer that Seth offered to a question regarding growing from scratch. His answer wasn’t specific to podcasting, but really any type of project.

We’re conditioned to think big! We start projects, especially projects like podcasting, and immediately expect to draw a large audience. We think that if we build it, we’ll naturally attract listeners. And when we don’t grow as fast as we like — when we aren’t satisfied with the pace of our growth, we start to question ourselves.

How doI build a larger audience? How can I do it quick. Is anyone listening? How do I make money witrh this? Do i need to do SEO or Facebook ads?

Thats why i love this particular clip, and this quote in particular.

If you can’t engage, influence or change 12 people, or 20 or 50, then what makes us think we can do it with 50,000? It doesn’t get easier, it gets the same.

Seth Godin on the Tim Ferris Podcast

This is powerful. By thinking small, and by focusing on a small group of people that YOU can engage, influence or change with your show, you are ALREADY preparing to do those things with a much larger audience. Resist the idea that producing a show for 50,000 people is different than producing it for one person because it’s not.

The reason I decided to tackle this topic today was that I’ve been spending quite a bit of time on the Podcaster’s Hangout Facebook community lately. And most of the topics posted there, at least at the time of this post, were focused on growing large. Everyone wants to know how they can  get as large as possible, as quickly as possible. I’ve even see a number of podcasters equating quality to number of downloads.

If you are just getting started and you only have a handful of shows don’t even think about your numbers. Thats the best advice I can give. Take a deep breath and think about how you can focus on helping the smallest group of people possible. Make your show, and your content, about helping people and being useful.

When you can engage, influence and CHANGE — operative word being change… and in this case, a positive change is what I’m describing, then you create a fan. When you create a fan, you create someone who will be willing to tell their friends, or other people in the tribe, about your show and how you were able to help them. That is the absolute best advertising you can have.

There will be some who listen to that and think “I don’t have time for that. I need my investment to pay off right now.”  And to those of you who feel that way, that’s okay. It’s just not a philosophy that I share, because I have yet to see that work in the real world at a sustainable level.

Many of the most popular podcasters already had an audience or tribe behind them when they got started. In other words, they were well known before they started a podcast. Their audience may not have be as large as the one they have today — my mind immediately goes to people like Marc Maron, Joe Rogan, Adam Carolla and others. Three podcasters who had a tribe to engage, influence and change well before they started a show. Most of us got into podcasting to create that audience, though, and need to do it from scratch. I can’t help but imagine Joe, Marc and Adam all doing standup in a mostly empty room when they got started, making one person laugh at a time on their way to millions of podcast subscribers.

So think small. Think about how your show can help people, one at a time. If you maintain consistency both in your frequency of recording and continue to improve the quality of your show you will grow your audience organically. You and your show will be better for it!

 

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#13 Podcast news from WWDC 17

Studio #13 Podcast news from WWDC 17

Apple recently held their annual World Wide Developer Conference (WWDC) and made some news when they detailed an update of their Podcast app, as well as a new podcast specification. What do these developments mean for podcasters?

That’s the subject of Studio episode #13, which you can listen to above or read along below.

If you are a podcaster, you should always strive to stay as current as possible with the tech industry. As we know, technology drives much of the world around us, and podcasting is no different. That’s why Apple’s announcements at WWDC relative to podcasts were so interesting this year.

The majority of podcast listeners, at least those who use Apple devices such as iPhones, ipads and Macs, use the stock Podcast App loaded onto iOS to consume podcasts. But the Podcast app leaves a lot to be desired. While many modern podcast players include rich features like chapter support, smart speed, cloud sync and voice boost, the Apple podcast app has fallen behind (some even say, neglected). That might change with some new features that Apple is working on.

At WWDC, Apple showed off a brand new design for the Podcasts App, which draws heavily from the design of Apple Music. This time around I haven’t ponied up the $99 developer license to try the changes first hand, but there are several bloggers out there with their own first hand accounts that you can check out:

  • Reddit thread with screenshots of design changes

Apple didn’t stop with a new podcast app design, however. Taken from the same presentation at WWDC, they talked in some detail about what they are calling a new Apple Podcast Spec, which includes new conventions for naming podcast episodes as well as new tags that you can use as a podcast producer when encoding your MP3 files. I’m pretty excited about these new changes, which seem to focus on the ability to group your podcasts in a number of interesting ways, from episodic podcasts to serialized ones.

One question which comes to mind is whether podcasting hosting providers will adopt the spec. After all, your podcast has to live somewhere outside of iTunes first in order to be included in Apple’s directory. Obviously, the ability to more precisely control how your podcast is distributed and in what order is a key feature. I believe they will, but we will have to see! If anything, Apple’s podcast spec traditionally has been light on features.

Apple In-Podcast Analytics

Another really interesting development for podcasters are in-podcast analytics. What does that mean? Well, up until now (and honestly, now) its been very difficult to tell just how much of your podcast has been listened to. Certain hosting providers, OmnyStudio being one, but i am sure there are a few others, provide in-podcast analytics if you use their web based podcast player.

I’m of a mixed mind on podcast analytics in general. Obviously, its useful to know how many people download your podcast. Advertisers speficially want to know this information, and i think generally speaking if you put the time and money into producing your podcast you’d like to know how many people listen.

On the other hand, revealing detailed analytics about how much of your podcast is actually listened to OR, in other words, skipped over has major implications, right? That information can drastically change how podcasts get produced, and may end up dictating topics, length, the use of advertisements.  The community seems to be both appliading and dreading the availability of the information.

What are your thoughts on the new Apple podcast app, as well as the spec changes and availability of deeper analytics?

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#12 Hot Pods and Hangouts

Studio #12 Hot Pods and Hangouts

Recently, I came upon two new resources which have both been pretty great for podcasters.

The first one that I’d like to talk about is “Hot Pod.”

Hot Pod is a mailing list — and its the brain child of Nick Quah, a podcasting and journalism veteran who’se had stops at Panoply Media, BuzzFeed and Business Insider. I’m a new subscriber to Hot Pod, but i can already see the genius in it from a podcast producer perspective. Nick covers the inner workings of the podcasting industry, including technology, creative and business angles.

Hot Pod Podcast Newsletter

This past week’s edition talked about WWDC, Apple’s world wide developer conference, and covered some of the news coming from it that will impact podcasters. Of particiualr interest is a new design for Apple’s “Podcast App” which is still the preferred app for the majority of our listeners.

Also of note in the latest Hot Pod is an acquisition by Gimlet Media of a Shark Tank “inspired” show called The Pitch.

What I love about Hot Pod is that Nick clearly does his research and is able to bring you inside the podcasting industry. It’s not just reporting, its also analysis and i appreciate that as someone who is interested in learning more about the business side of podcasting.

I’m definitely looking forward to pouring through past issues, which are also available once you become a subscriber.

To sign up for Hot Pod, visit hotpodnews.com!
The next resource I’ve found thats been incredibly useful is the Podcaster’s Hangout closed group on Facebook.

Back on episode #8 I talked about the NY Times Podcast Club, which also remains an incredibly useful community for podcast listeners on Faxebook. The Podcaster’s Hangout is more targeted to producers, though, and the discussions, which are moderated, are more technically focused — things like gear recommendations, troubleshooting common issues in the studio, the recording process and promotion.

It’s a friendly community as well, and I don’t find it to be dominated by people selling things. That’s in part due to the moderation, but just in general it feels like a community of helpful people.

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#11 Creative use of music in podcasts

Studio #11 Creative uses of music in podcasts

Today I’m talking all about music and the different ways that it can be used to help you enhance your podcast. From an intro to outro, from ambience to accent, music can help you create an immersive experience for your listener.

I reached out to some of my favorite podcast producers and shows, and secured permission to share examples from The Daily, a production of the New York Times, Heavyweight, an amazing show from Gimlet Media, and one of the funniest and best produced podcasts around, the I Am Rapaport Stereo podcast.

All of these clips have something in common. They all use music effectively to make the listening experience more enjoyable, more immersive, and more interesting. I’ll be dissecting each of their approaches to incorporating music into their shows, and share some tips on how you can use music creatively in your own show.

The Daily

First up is The Daily.

It’s a podcast that, not surprisingly, I start my day with, each and every day. It masterfully uses music in subtle ways to establish mood, or feeling for each episode.

Many times the music changes segment to segment, or serves as a bridge between segments. In the following clip, from the May 23rd episode of The Daily, the shows host, Michael Barbaro concludes the show with a segment on the Manchester terror attack, which occurred during a performance by Ariana Grande.

Listen to the subtle use of music laid underneath Michael’s monologue in this audio clip from the Manchester police.

The Daily often uses music to serve as a transition from one segment to the next. Upbeat music might be used to describe a hectic news day at the Times, while slower more somber music may be incorporated to set a mood or tone, like you heard in the clip about the Manchester terror attack. The Daily uses subtle accents, variations on the show’s theme music and ambience created by audio clips from the news to great effect.

Heavyweight by Gimlet Media

The next example of creative use of music, comes from the show Heavyweight by Gimlet Media.

Heavyweight has become one of my favorite podcasts, in large part due to the scoring done for each episode. The show is about people who live life with regret, over not doing something in a particular moment, or who always wondered “What if?” In this clip from Heavyweight, episode number 7, entitled Julia, a woman recalls being bullied in school by other girls.

Heavyweight also uses music to transition between thoughts, or to be played in length without the spoken word to add space and time for the listen to consider what was just said.

IAMRAPAPORT stereo podcast

The I AM RAPAPORT STERO PODCAST is among the best that I’ve heard from a production stand point. The quality of the audio is always on point, with credit going to the podcast’s production team, Jordan Winter and Miles Davis. It’s quickly become the benchmark that I try to reach when it comes to audio quality. This show was the first that really made me realize just how much podcasts can benefit from having a strong musical score.

Of course, every show takes on the personality of it’s host, but the I AM RAPAPORT show really stands out from others, due to the use of its music. Much like a movie with a really great soundtrack, the podcast has its own soundtrack, which you can listen to courtesy of the 2015, 2016 Podcast Co-Host of the Year, Gerald Moody.

G-Moody has his own SoundCloud page so you can check out more of his music yourself.

Whether you use it to serve as a bridge between segments, to set the mood, or to be a canvas to speak over the top of, great music just makes your podcast more interesting, more alive, and more immersive.

Finding great music

You might be thinking,this is cool, but where do I find music to use?

Obviously partnering with someone who can compose music is ideal. But not everyone has a musical friend, or a connection to a composer. The one place that I like to go to find music is a website called Marmoset Music. Marmoset is based out of Portland, so they’re local to me. But they have a great website that is set up for artists to license their work for film, radio, and podcast use.

It’s the place where I got the musical intro for Studio. And I’ve used them for many other podcasts and work projects. I hope to have some of the folks from Marmoset on the show very soon, but in the meantime, give them a look. Prices are reasonable, and they’ve got a great search feature to help you narrow down exactly what you’re looking for. You can even download temporary tracks, to drop into your own podcast to see what it will sound like before you buy.

Have fun and experiment with adding music to your podcast

Consider using music in your next podcast. Maybe think about ways that you can break up a segment, or add emotional weight to something that you’re talking about. If you’re doing a narrative podcast, using music is pretty much essential. But even if you’re doing a monologue style podcast, like Studio, adding a little music to your podcast can always make it sound a little more interesting, a little more fun, and just a little bit more of an experience.

Definitely check out the three shows that were mentioned, they are well worth your time. If you’re using music to great effect in your podcast, I’d like to hear about it. Or, if you know of another podcast that uses it, I’d love to hear about that too. Music is something that’s important to all of us. I think everyone I know loves music. And there’s no reason to not include more music into your podcast!

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#10 Choosing the right format for your show

Studio #10 Choosing your show's format

Today’s Studio explores some of the most popular formats for podcast shows. Will you go it on your own or will you bring friends? There’s not a right or wrong way to set up your show, but there certainly are pros and cons for each approach.

One of the first things that you’ll want to do is establish your show’s format? Who’s going to host it? And who will be the guests? Will you have a co-host or not? Or, do you want to do something maybe a little different? The different formats that I’m going to discuss today include:

  • The solo host (or the monologue format)
  • The host with guests
  • The host with co-host;
  • The host with co-hosts and guests
  • The narrative podcast (guest driven)

The solo host (or the monologue format)

If you’re the kind of person that doesn’t mind the sound of your own voice, and I don’t mean that in a narcissistic way, but someone that just isn’t turned off by hearing their voice recorded, and you’re somebody that has a lot of things to say and a lot of time to say it, you may decide that you want to be a solo host. You have guests once in a while, but, for the most part your content is delivered by you.

Here are some of the pros for the solo host format.

The first is that you can do a podcast anytime you want. If you wake up in the middle of the night and you decide, “Hey, I got something on my mind. I really want to explore,” then you can do that. You can set up your recording equipment, and you can just go!

You don’t have to worry about scheduling other people. Scheduling is one of the bigger obstacles to hosting a show, not only finding other people to talk to but then getting them to commit time and getting them to show up.

You don’t have to worry about getting approval. Typically, when you record podcasts, or at least when I record podcasts with guests, there’s a courtesy there to let them hear what the finished product sounds like before you release it. Of course, when you’re the solo host of the show and you’re the only one doing the talking, then really the approval falls on you or whoever you may lean on to give you feedback.

Some of the downsides I would say are it’s really on you to make the entire show interesting. The whole show rests and falls on your ability to capture people’s attention, to communicate articulately and effectively, and to bring energy. Sometimes, you just don’t feel like doing that, and sometimes it’s easier to rely on another person to help you do that.  It can be difficult to always get up for recording a podcast.

Another challenge is consistency. If you have guests, if you have other hosts, that means you’ve done some scheduling to pull all of those people together, and you force yourself to make sure that you’re recording and you’re committing to a schedule. When you’re doing this on your own, you’re being a solo host, you’re being essentially the subject matter expert, then you can do them whenever you feel like it. It’s really easy for you to put things off or procrastinate. When you have other people that are involved, whether it’s a co-host, whether it’s a guest, then you’ve done some scheduling upfront to make sure those people are going to be there. It’s kind of a reinforcement that you also need to be there and you also need to be recording.

Let’s face it: a lot of people are not comfortable with hearing the sound of their own voice. I mentioned from the outset that I happen to be comfortable hearing the sound of my own voice, but, a lot of people, they don’t like it. It might be a big turnoff to them that they’re the solo voice on their show.

Finally, the promotion of the show really falls on your shoulders. Some people have a problem with promoting themselves, talking about their show, why other people should be listening to it. It’s one of the bigger challenges that I faced in creating podcast content is finding people to listen to it and talking about yourself and what you’re offering people. Some people just aren’t very comfortable with that, but this format works well if you’re somebody that has a lot of passion and energy, you’re not averse to hearing the sound of your own voice, and you’re self-motivated.

The host and guest format

This is the more traditional format for podcast shows. Most of the shows that you listen to will have somebody asking questions, somebody answering those questions. This is a format that’s been tested and something that listeners come to expect. With that comes some advantages.

Your guests may have an audience. One of the best ways to grow your podcast audience is to have your guest promote their appearance on your show to their own audience. 

Sharing the load. You don’t have to be interesting in every moment. In fact, sometimes it’s nice for the guests to be inquisitive, to ask questions, to play devil’s advocate. That can set up some interesting conversation and discussion points. The listener is there to hear the guest, so your job as a host can be easier if you’re letting them do the talking!

Learning something new. In theory, you’re bringing in guests to come on your show because they have expert knowledge on something that maybe you don’t have. This is another pro that you get to learn from your guest, and I think that that’s really important.

Just more interesting. Finally, it might just be considered more interesting having a guest. You’ve got two different voices. You have different perspectives. I think, from a formatting standpoint, that this is one that works really well to capture attention and keep attention.

Some of the cons, at least in my opinion, are that you have to schedule guests. This will be a recurring theme in a lot of these additional formats that I talk about after the monologue format is that one of the challenges to podcasting and having a show is finding guests and then making sure those guests show up and do all of the different things that are expected of the guest.

You also may need to budget in time for coaching. Not everyone who you’ll talk to is comfortable talking on a microphone. Some people get really intimidated when they come in, they sit down with you, and they’re being interviewed. Interviewing is a skill all unto itself. If you don’t believe me, just try it. It can be very difficult. I would say the last con is that it requires more editing if you have another person talking. The more people that you have on your show, the more editing that you’ll do, the longer the process will take to get an episode out.

The host and co-host format

One of the pros for this format is that, depending on your co-host, you could have really powerful chemistry, which makes for differing perspectives, counter-points, arguments, humor, inside jokes, things that are interesting to a listener. Having a co-host also allows you to share promotion duties, so you’re not expected to carry the full load of talking about the show.

Depending on your release schedule for your podcast, having a co-host means that maybe you could take a break once in a while or, if you’re sick, you don’t have to worry about missing a week because you have a co-host, somebody that can step in and shoulder the load of hosting for you for a short period of time.

The cons here are very similar to the host with guests.

You’ve got to worry more about scheduling, because now you have more than one person that you have to account for. Depending on your release schedule, you may have to schedule guests far in advance.

There’s more editing, because, again, you have more voices. And you may find,that you also need to storyboard your conversation a little bit more to figure out who’s going to be bringing up topics, who’s going to be transitioning to the different topics, and so forth.

The host, co-host and guest format

This is a really interesting format because it gives you the ability to have a co-host who has maybe a different perspective than yours and a subject matter expert as a guest that you could both ask questions to. I personally find these to be among the most interesting podcasts that are out there because I feel like I’m actually a fly on the wall listening to a conversation.

The downside is that you have a lot more planning that you need to do. You have more people that you need to schedule. You have even more editing that you need to do, especially if your guest is someone that is remote.

The narrative or “guest” format

Many of the more popular podcasts out there that you may have heard of fit into this format, and that is a voice that introduces a topic, and then it’s mostly driven by the subject matter expert or the subject of the podcast itself. Think about a podcast like S-Town, Serial and Missing Richard Simmons. There’s a lot of new podcasts that fit into this format, which is called the narrative format, where you’re more using the medium of podcasting to tell a story.

One of my favorite examples of this is Song Exploder, which I think actually does the best job at the just guest part of the format. At the very beginning you hear a clip of the narrator introducing the artist whose music will be showcased. Then the artist does the rest of the speaking, answering questions which are taken out in editing to tell a complete story in the first person.

A new way to tell a story. I think some of the pros here are that it’s a completely new way to tell stories with podcasts, and I think, in that sense, it’s not an interview. It’s more of almost like an audio documentary, and that can be very interesting.

These require extensive production. The downsides really are all in the production. I’ll put air quotes around “downside” because I don’t necessarily see it as a bad thing, it’s just a huge time investment because you’re doing a lot of editing and a lot of coordination with other people.

Better get it reviewed. Because you’re using their voice to tell a story, you’re going to want to give review authority over to your guest. You may want to cede some of the creative control to your guest to allow them to make suggestions about how the edit was done, maybe the direction the story took, et cetera. This isn’t a format where you can necessarily just sit down on your own whenever you feel like podcasting and crank out another episode. This is the kind of thing which might take you several weeks to put together an episode.

Choosing the right format

As you can see, there’s lots of different formats and ways that you can build your show. Do you want to be a solo host? Do you want to be the one that’s driving the conversation and doing it on your own terms? Or do you want to host a show with guests? It’s the more traditional format. You can offload some of the responsibilities on your guests to help you promote it, and it might sound a little bit more interesting, especially if you’re someone that’s bothered by the sound of your voice.

Or do you have someone that you want to bring with you and make part of your show as a co-host, someone that can help you come up with topics, someone that can debate you, someone that can help make the content more interesting? From there, you and your co-host might decide that you want to have guests on the show. This is probably the most dynamic format possible for podcasting where you’re adding multiple new voices into the mix. Just keep in mind that it requires more editing and more scheduling. Or are you feeling artistic? Do you want to try a narrative podcast format? Do you want to tell a story in the first-person using your guest’s voice?

There are many different options, no right or wrong way that you can go. Really, it depends on you, how strongly you feel about podcasting, how committed you are to recording, how comfortable you are in interviewing, and what type of time investment are you willing to make.

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